AMD’s Upcoming 3rd Gen Ryzen Threadripper ‘Castle Peak’, Ryzen 3000 ‘Mattise’ CPUs and Ryzen APUs ‘Renoir’ Spotted Online
An entire range of upcoming AMD CPUs and APUs have been spotted online which include 4th Gen Ryzen, 3rd Gen Ryzen and Ryzen Threadripper chips. The leaked list comes from Komachi who has obtained a list of various processors that haven't made it to the market yet but an introduction is very likely in the coming months.
AMD's Upcoming 4th Gen Ryzen APUs 'Renoir' For Notebooks and 3rd Gen Ryzen / Ryzen Threadripper CPUs Spotted Online
The list includes a whole range of processors that we haven't seen an official confirmation for as of yet. These may be placeholders for the upcoming lineups but the list is really interesting, especially the 4th Gen APU line which is expected to launch next year with Zen 2 cores and Navi GPU on the same package.
AMD CPU Roadmap (2018-2020)
|Ryzen Family||Ryzen 1000 Series||Ryzen 2000 Series||Ryzen 3000 Series||Ryzen 4000 Series||Ryzen 5000 Series|
|Architecture||Zen (1)||Zen (1) / Zen+||Zen (2) / Zen+||Zen (3)||Zen (4)|
|Process Node||14nm||14nm / 12nm||7nm||7nm+||5nm?|
|High End Server (SP3)||EPYC 'Naples'||EPYC 'Naples'||EPYC 'Rome'||EPYC 'Milan'||EPYC 'Genoa'|
|Max Server Cores / Threads||32/64||32/64||64/128||TBD||TBD|
|High End Desktop (TR4)||Ryzen Threadripper 1000 Series||Ryzen Threadripper 2000 Series||Ryzen Threadripper 3000 Series (Castle Peak)||Ryzen Threadripper 4000 Series (Genesis Peak)||Ryzen Threadripper 5000 Series|
|Max HEDT Cores / Threads||16/32||32/64||64/128||64/128?||TBD|
|Mainstream Desktop (AM4)||Ryzen 1000 Series (Summit Ridge)||Ryzen 2000 Series (Pinnacle Ridge)||Ryzen 3000 Series (Matisse)||Ryzen 4000 Series (Vermeer)||Ryzen 5000 Series|
|Max Mainstream Cores / Threads||8/16||8/16||16/32||TBD||TBD|
|Budget APU (AM4)||N/A||Ryzen 2000 Series (Raven Ridge)||Ryzen 3000 Series (Picasso 14nm Zen+)||Ryzen 4000 Series (Renior)||Ryzen 5000 Series|
AMD 4th Gen Ryzen APU 'Renoir' Family - 7nm Zen 2 CPU + Navi GPU Cores Combined
Coming to the details, the 4th Gen Ryzen APU lineup would be replacing the 3rd Gen APU lineup which is based on the Zen+ core architecture and Vega graphics architecture. The 4th Gen lineup, codenamed Renoir, would feature support on FP6 (Notebook) and AM4 (Desktop) platforms. The current AMD Ryzen notebook lineup is based around the FP5 socket and since FP6 is a whole new socket change, we can expect a drastic change to the feature set of the Renoir generation of CPUs. There's a large list of FP6 Ryzen 'Renoir' APUs listed which include the following:
- AMD Ryzen 9 B12 (45W)
- AMD Ryzen 7 B10 (45W)
- AMD Ryzen 5 B8 (45W)
- AMD Ryzen 9 PRO B12 (15W)
- AMD Ryzen 7 PRO B10 (15W)
- AMD Ryzen 5 PRO B8 (15W)
- AMD Ryzen 3 PRO B6 (15W)
From the looks of it, AMD would be segmenting their 4th Gen Ryzen notebook lineup into regular consumer and PRO consumer variants. The regular variants would feature a 45W TDP which is a bump from the existing 35W TDP while the PRO variants will feature a 15W TDP. What's interesting here is that AMD is planning to go up to Ryzen 9 on their notebooks as AMD wants to take the fight to Intel's 45W Core i9 parts.
I cannot say for sure what the "B**" notifier stands for but it could be telling us the core count for each specific processor. If that is the case, then AMD would be offering up to 12 cores on their flagship notebook processor compared to Intel's current Core i9-9980HK which comes with 8 cores and 16 threads. AMD Ryzen 7 APUs would feature 10 cores, Ryzen 5 would feature 8 cores and Ryzen 3 series would feature 6 cores. There may be some entry-level quad-core variants but they aren't mentioned in this particular list. We recently covered how AMD wants to disrupt the note-book sector now that they are completely dominating Intel in the desktop market.
AMD 3rd Gen Ryzen, Ryzen Threadripper, and More Upcoming CPUs
Moving on to the desktop parts, we know that AMD will be offering their HEDT 3rd Gen Ryzen Threadripper CPUs starting with a 24 core and 48 thread SKU. The list includes a 16 core / 32 thread and 32 core / 64 thread models too. Both models are listed as 280W but that could be the definition for the max limit supported by the SP3R3 socket which is also being highlighted as TR4+. The R3 would mean the 3rd revision of the TR4 socket which is the case since there have already been two generations prior to TR4+ of the same socket. The list mentions the following:
- DT Ryzen Threadripper 280W SP3R3 (16C)
- DT Ryzen Threadripper 280W SP3R3 (32C)
- CPK Consumer 16C 32T 140W
- MTS Consumer 8C 16T 45W SP4r2
- MTS Consumer 6C 12T 45W SP4r2
There also seems to be a consumer 16 core and 32 thread chip which is listed with a TDP of 140W. We know that the Ryzen 9 3950X has a TDP of 105W so this could either be the boost TDP for the same chip or a separate chip with higher clocks that AMD might be working on. There are also 45W SP4 'EPYC Embedded' chips listed which include 8 core / 16 thread and 6 core / 12 thread models.
It also seems like AMD is working on another 3rd Gen Ryzen 7 mainstream desktop SKU known as the Ryzen 7 3750X which should land in between the Ryzen 7 3700X and Ryzen 7 3800X. Unlike the Ryzen 7 3700X which features a TDP of 65W, the Ryzen 7 3750X would feature a TDP of 105W that would allow for much stable boost clocks and would be a good addition if priced at $350 US since it would offer much higher performance per dollar versus Intel's flagship, the Core i9-9900K.
AMD Ryzen 3000 Series CPU Lineup
|CPU Name||Ryzen 5 3500||Ryzen 5 3500X||Ryzen 5 3600||Ryzen 5 3600X||Ryzen 7 3700||Ryzen 7 3700X||Ryzen 7 3750X||Ryzen 7 3800X||Ryzen 9 3900||Ryzen 9 3900X||Ryzen 9 3950X|
|Base Clock||3.6 GHz||3.6 GHz||3.6 GHz||3.8 GHz||TBD||3.6 GHz||TBD||3.9 GHz||3.1 GHz||3.8 GHz||3.5 GHz|
|Boost Clock||4.1 GHz||4.1 GHz||4.2 GHz||4.4 GHz||TBD||4.4 GHz||TBD||4.5 GHz||4.3 GHz||4.6 GHz||4.7 GHz|
|Cache (L2+L3)||16 MB||32 MB||35 MB||35 MB||36 MB||36 MB||36 MB||36 MB||70 MB||70 MB||72 MB|
|PCIe Lanes (Gen 4 CPU+PCH)||40||40||40||40||40||40||40||40||40||40||40|
|Price||$129 US?||$149 US?||$199 US||$249 US||$279 US?||$329 US||$349 US?||$399 US||$449 US?||$499 US||$749 US|
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3000 Series CPUs - Here's What To Expect In Terms of Price, Specs, and Performance
The AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3000 series family is internally known as “Castle Peak” and is stated to bring dominant leadership in the HEDT market. The family will prove to be a new watermark in performance and overall efficiency while new platform features will be introduced on the new and enhanced motherboards to take them to the next level.
Currently, reports state that there will be two separate platforms for enthusiasts and workstation chips, the TRX40 and WRX80. The details of these platforms are listed below.
AMD TRX40 'Enthusiast' Ryzen Threadripper 3000 Processors
The TRX4 HEDT platform would feature quad-channel memory, UDIMM memory support with 2 DIMMs per channel and up to 256 GB of capacity per channel. This means that the platform will support up to 1 TB of memory. There would also be support for 64 Gen 4 PCIe lanes with 16 lanes switchable with the SATA interface. There also seems to be info regarding TDPs and we can also notice the segmentation here too. The Group 'A' series processors, which are the HEDT lineup for the TRX40 platform with 280W TDP, Tcase Max temperature of 60C and Tctl Max of 100C.
AMD WRX80 'Workstation' Ryzen Threadripper 3000 Processors
Now coming to the WRX80 series, we are looking at a pure workstation lineup. Even the processors built around this platform are spec'd similar to the EPYC 7002 variants, featuring 8-channel DDR4-3200 support in UDIMM, RDIMM, LRDIMM flavors. The platform would support 1 DIMM/channel featuring support for up to 2 TB of memory. There wouldn't be any OC support like the TRX40 series but you get 96-128 Gen4 PCIe lanes with 32 switchable lanes to SATA. The Group 'B' series processors which are the workstation lineup for the WRX80 platform will also feature a 280W TDP but different temperature range of Tcase Max temperature of 81C and Tctl Max of 100C.
AMD Ryzen Threadripper Generation Comparison:
|Family Name||AMD 1st Gen Ryzen Threadripper||AMD 2nd Gen Ryzen Threadripper||AMD 3rd Gen Ryzen Threadripper|
|CPU Architecture||Zen 1||Zen+||Zen 2|
|Max CPU Cores||16||32||32
(64 Expected In 2020)
|Max CPU Threads||32||64||64
(128 Expected In 2020)
|PCIe Support||PCIe Gen 3.0||PCIe Gen 3.0||PCIe Gen 4.0|
|Max PCIe Lanes||64||64||72|
|Max L2 Cache||8 MB||16 MB||32 MB|
|Max L3 Cache||32 MB||64 MB||256 MB|
|Chipset||X399||X399||TRX40, TRX80, WRX80|
Considering that AMD would want to remain in a dominant position with the Threadripper 3000 series, we will be looking at some spectacular amounts of multi-threaded performance numbers which will only get better with the added clock speeds thanks to the 7nm process node. The CPUs will also be getting major core bumps, but AMD would like to keep prices close to current levels.
AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su:
“You know. it’s very interesting, some of the things that circulate on the Internet—I don’t think we ever said that Threadripper was not going to continue—it somehow took on a life of its own on the Internet,” Su said, speaking to a small group of reporters following her keynote. “You will see more [Threadripper] from us; you will definitely see more.
If mainstream is moving up, then Threadripper will have to move up, up—and that’s what we’re working on.”
If we look at the trend with AMD's jump from Ryzen Threadripper 1000 to Ryzen Threadripper 2000, we saw that the new processors with core parity of the previous generation were priced around the same with a $200-$300 shaved off from their previous price tag. The 1950X became 2950X and cost $200 US less. The higher core count parts were at a different market tier entirely, costing north of $1200 US but at the same time, much cheaper than their Core-X competitors.
In terms of raw performance output, the new die layout remains to be tested, but since it is more refined over the previous two generations with a stronger interconnect between them, the cache and latency performance may end up giving a bigger boost to total system responsiveness. AMD will definitely be aiming for both LGA 2066 and LGA 3647 lines with their new chips. Intel has said that their upcoming Core-X series will offer a much better value proposition with 2x better perf per dollar compared to Skylake-X, but that remains to be seen in real-world benchmarks and reviews.
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