Why Religion is Such a Terrible Thing

[MummyDaddy]

My only problem with religion is how it manages to spawn so much baseless, irrational hatred.

Clicky

It's a sad fact that a religion that means 'Enter into Peace' triggers emotions that are hardly peaceful...

MD

[DionysusRevolution]

People who are ruthless with the support of religion are reallllly dangerous...


Btw, great reply to the posts there...

[Kursed]

roflmao ! nice reply.

[Reaper]

quite a punch straight in the face...that really is an appalling thread.

[EvaNgeList]

Too bad no matter how good MD's replys are, their mindsets cannot be changed. What the hell are these people thinking? Bickering like little children. If they're so hell bent on boycotting pepsi and what not, they should work towards providing an alternate product so that people won't need to boycott pepsi anymore. But i guess this thought won't enter their minds, it's easier to just boycott ... when in doubt ... boycott

[Cr0c0_DuCk]

*burp*..... *looks around*.... *quickly gulps down remainin pepsi*.... my bad


waisa i don't know why u even bother MD u know they won't pick up after u... they won't even bother goin thru all of it... or mebbe they will.. an yet they drain it on out... haan fine they might might might retain a tad bit of what u might have INTENDED on sayin... but than the rest of the info they might have missed out on is overclouded by the preset ideas of their own minds... which leads to ur original meanin being overclouded or so to say changed to fit their original thinkin... or they just might scrap the whole load.....

*yawn*


*belch*....my bad

[ExPl|c|7]

Originally Posted by Cr0c0_DuCk

*burp*..... *looks around*.... *quickly gulps down remainin pepsi*.... my bad


waisa i don't know why u even bother MD u know they won't pick up after u... they won't even bother goin thru all of it... or mebbe they will.. an yet they drain it on out... haan fine they might might might retain a tad bit of what u might have INTENDED on sayin... but than the rest of the info they might have missed out on is overclouded by the preset ideas of their own minds... which leads to ur original meanin being overclouded or so to say changed to fit their original thinkin... or they just might scrap the whole load.....

*yawn*


*belch*....my bad

i NEVER get wat he says......never

[Trekker]

LOL... didn't we have a lengthy discussion about this in here too.. after which shades and rabi never posted here coz they couldn't support their claims with logic and eveidence??

[Jingo]

Originally Posted by ExPl|c|7

i NEVER get wat he says......never

as i usually say, croco is a vast island, full of poop, hard to step in, impossible to penetrate, i just don't blame u, when u say that

[Gladiator]

md bhai waisay app jab bhee likhtay hain chawaliyan hee martay hain


now i am not here to again write long posts coz in the end u r just enjoying and having another intellectual excercise.


but plz tell me have u ever given a deep observation to islam or not as u rsaying there








There is something bigger than religion out there that unites us all, there is something that transcends physical and spiritual boundaries, and that thing is our collective, common humanity.


i think u must better know it its not the muslims who r doing genocide its jews and christians

can u explain to me wat the hell has carpeted bombing has any thing to do with capturing osama or saddam isn't it genocide of muslim civlians


and abt that einsteian thing


well algebra was inveted by muslim sceintist al khawarzami ( i think so )

it forms the basis of mathamatics which i turn has infinte practical applications .

lets consider the boolean algebra which was formed on the basis of basic algebra for computers .

without this boolean algebra u can even operate any logicgates of urs ( physics )used in pc's which can not then operate so here goes ur computer and every every every thing connected with pc in any way which menas cars, planes, drugs, weapons, biochem,medicines pharmaceutical companies,tv radio AC fans dams every thing


they are many examples sulphuric acid was amde by muslim sceintist . tell west to stop using it here goes there half of whole industores down and locked.


many views in optics were corrected by a muslims scietist here goes ur glasses, laser, every thing connected with light




need i say more



yet they say arabs were warriors who just fought and used to conquer lands nothing else if yes just leave this 1 good algebra thing of ours and here u go we are lying there in 10b.c or 100b.c or 10000b.c yet being in the 21st century.


wat u must understand is that every thing runs in a balance yet u r considering the other side of picture.

i think u r
forgetting ur own line



http://go4b.magic.net.pk/forum/showt...5071#post25071


kursed md sankey rebel razazel xxx............................................... . u guyz are about to be owned and every thing will just become crystal clear very soon......................

[Kursed]

about to be owned??? Sure. Waiting ...


Just one last thing, you hold Islam very dearly right, maybe someone elder than you forgot to teach you a basic principle of this religion and thats of respect of elders. If you dont know how to respect, then wont be respected in turn by anyone.
Now go on and figure that out, i will be more blunt the next time i write in case you fail to understand my hint.

[Gladiator]

Originally Posted by KuRsEd

about to be owned??? Sure. Waiting ...


Just one last thing, you hold Islam very dearly right, maybe someone elder than you forgot to teach you a basic principle of this religion and thats of respect of elders. If you dont know how to respect, then wont be respected in turn by anyone.
Now go on and figure that out, i will be more blunt the next time i write in case you fail to understand my hint.

me shocked

pm me the link

[MummyDaddy]

Originally Posted by Gladiator

md bhai waisay app jab bhee likhtay hain chawaliyan hee martay hain

Gladiator... I have a rule on these forums, which I follow religiously. No matter how stupid someone's arguments may be, no matter how idiotic they might be, no matter how much they may curse and swear at me, I choose not to reply back in the same manner. I have always believed that the force of my arguments is sufficiently strong to change minds where they can be changed, and when I intend to change them. I don't need to stoop to the level of blatant polemicizing or emotional rhetoric to prove my point. In return though, while I understand it's probably too much to hope for, I expect similar treatment. I generally haven't indulged in debate with you, Gladiator, mainly because of time constraints and because I tend to get into more arguments with Cateye and Kabala. Nonetheless, I have noticed a trend whereby you don't seem to give the opposing side credit where it is due, unlike those two.

You are free to disagree with my opinion... that is your perogative, and your right. But when you disagree with me without understanding what I'm trying to say, you are discrediting yourself. All you saw was a thread in which I defended Jews and all of a sudden, you HAD to oppose me regardless of the meaning behind the words I used. If you want to indulge in an intelligent debate, I implore you to at least read what I write.

Originally Posted by Gladiator

now i am not here to again write long posts coz in the end u r just enjoying and having another intellectual excercise.

Unfortunately, questions of religion are more than a mere intellectual exercise for me. While I admit that I sometimes take positions on subjects simply for the sake of debate, religion is an area where I'm dead serious. So please... feel free to write long posts.

Originally Posted by Gladiator

but plz tell me have u ever given a deep observation to islam or not as u rsaying there

I am no Islamic scholar, Gladiator. Neither are you. If you would pay attention to what I say, you would notice that I never question the Quran or Ahadith. I only question interpretations made by ordinary, mortal men, and I only question the way Islam is used as tool for political and patriarchal purposes.

Originally Posted by Gladiator

i think u must better know it its not the muslims who r doing genocide its jews and christians

So what's your point? Because the US GOVERNMENT insists on attacking Afghanistan, we should hate all Jews and Christians? Tell me... was Iraq invaded because of Islam, or for Oil? Was Afghanistan invaded for access to Central Asian Gas or to kill Muslims? If it was indeed economic factors that triggered these wars, how is it an anti-Muslim vendetta?

Let me tell you something... Milosevic in Serbia, Mugabe in Zimbabwe, Kim Jong Il in North Korea, Castro in Cuba... all these rulers and regimes are deeply censured by the International Community... they actually took military action against Milosevic, Castro and Mugabe, and North Korea is always under the shadow of imminent attack... are these Muslim rulers or countries?

Religion has nothing to do with it. It's all just cold, hard economics and politics. If you believe in religion being the cause of all this hatred, you fall into the trap laid out by the US. Religion is used to legitimise violence and the minute you agree with it, you automatically raise barriers that perpetuate difference on the basis of what become irreconciliable beliefs. When you start to believe that all Jews are evil, or that all Christians are evil, you begin to ignore the actual root causes of conflict, and you forget two important things:

1) It is not Jews or Christians who commit the crimes you speak of. It is governments. It is political actors.

2) There are many, MANY Jews and Christians who do not support their governments. How many people protested the invasion of Iraq in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan? None. I went to two anti-war protests here in Lahore, and on both occassions, there were less than 50 people. In Europe, all those evil Jews and Christians came out in the MILLIONS. So much for all of them wanting to destroy Islam.

For God's sake... realise that they are not ALL bad, and that the majority of them are just like us. They are human, just as we are. They are not demons. Stop acting like a deranged, misinformed bigot.

Originally Posted by Gladiator

and abt that einsteian thing


well algebra was inveted by muslim sceintist al khawarzami ( i think so )

it forms the basis of mathamatics which i turn has infinte practical applications .

lets consider the boolean algebra which was formed on the basis of basic algebra for computers .

without this boolean algebra u can even operate any logicgates of urs ( physics )used in pc's which can not then operate so here goes ur computer and every every every thing connected with pc in any way which menas cars, planes, drugs, weapons, biochem,medicines pharmaceutical companies,tv radio AC fans dams every thing


they are many examples sulphuric acid was amde by muslim sceintist . tell west to stop using it here goes there half of whole industores down and locked.


many views in optics were corrected by a muslims scietist here goes ur glasses, laser, every thing connected with light




need i say more

Err... so? I never denied that Muslim achievements in the fields of science and philosophy. The achievements of Muslims in these areas, from the 9th Century onwards, until the fall of Baghdad, were the basis for the European renaissance. Furthermore, this is a fact that many Europeans accept. Indeed, Raphael, one of the most famous painters of the Renaissance, in his fresco entitled the 'School of Athens' (in which he depicted the greatest minds to have walked the earth) showed Averroes (a Muslim scholar who reconciled rationality with Divinity) rubbing shoulders with Socrates and Plato.

If you had understood the post I made at the Go4B forums, you would have realised the thought behind the point I made about Einstein. I was simply trying to show the absurdity of the concept of boycotting something simply becuase of its Jewish connections.

Originally Posted by Gladiator

wat u must understand is that every thing runs in a balance yet u r considering the other side of picture.

i think u r
forgetting ur own line

No, I am not forgetting my own line. When you say that ALL Jews are bad, and when you advocate their complete and total annihilation, YOU are guilty of some of the most extremist bigotry I have ever seen. At the very least, I recognise that the governments of Israel and the USA are guilty of some of the worst crimes in history. At the same time, I understand that conflict is not the answer, and that we can't hold an entire community responsible for the actions of a few.

Why is it so hard for you to talk about peace? Is war the only solution you have?

Violence is the first resort of the morally and intellectually weak. You're no better than George Bush if the only solution you see involves more fighting and strife.

Originally Posted by Gladiator

kursed md sankey rebel razazel xxx............................................... . u guyz are about to be owned and every thing will just become crystal clear very soon......................

This isn't a competition, Gladiator. Frankly, and I'm being very honest here, I don't think you could own me in an argument. My views are not the diseased ranting of some fringe leftist rebel... they come from years of study and analysis, and are rooted, quite strongly, in fact and theory. I'm not saying I'm always right. I'm just saying it's not an easy thing to take me on. Just ask Kabala. Or Cateye... you and I really haven't had an argument yet...

MD

[ZeUs]

You amaze me MD...you seriously do..


The bond which we all share in simple words is that we're all the sons of Adam, we're all humans, capable of mistake, and all do either good or bad..

The eternal bond between us all, that will remain forever, for eternity, is humanity....not religious differences, not political, not geographical...but humanity which binds us all together.

What has the Quran said about people like the Anti-Muslims in the present world? In the Quran it has been said, at numerous occasions that they are the ones mis guided, and our objective is not to kill them, murder them etc. but if possible, to show them the light, the correct way.

All of the Jewish world does not go against Muslims, as MD rightly pointed out, not many people attended the anti-war protests, where as, IF u had seen the news channels, millions of people came out into the streets to protest the war. Hell, you must have been opposing France about the whole law on the wearing of the veil, where as you would have ignored the fact that France openly opposed the Iraqi war..
and do you seriously think it was because of Religious purposes, No, it was un doubtedly due to economic and political reasons.

Imagine if a quake hits Pakistan, would USA not be sending aid? would the UN, as you may think of it as a big advocate of the USA, NOT be sending aids to Pakistan? Do you think religious differences will stop them from sending help to a Muslim nation because it's people, who are humans like them are dying?

The fact of the matter remains that you have to base your arguments on solid grounding and stop beating about the bush.

[Gladiator]

yaar again u guzy are not seeing the other pic md who said that all jews chritains are bad and genocide is the sol.

plz stop pretending two stpes more tahn wat is said


just wait i am trying to find soem hadiths and incidents i read in diffrent magzines news laikin mil nahii rahay soo me finding just wait till i find thema nd i will telll u from A to Z wat am i saying and wat u guzy are understanding