Bomb Blast in Islamabad Marriott Hotel

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[funxlab]

Originally Posted by KuRsEd

It wasn't TNT but plastic explosives. Plenty of 'em present in the FATA areas.

Let me correct you here, plastic explosives are mostly used in blasting in mineral excavation where conditions are wet and therefore it is available everywhere where mining is going on not just FATA.

A few days back, Jang Karachi (i read it online) had one column short story of the hijacking of commercial explosive truck from Taxila which was property of a mining agency (most probably one of the few Cement factories there), that truck is not yet found, and for it ransom was demanded.

[Rebel]

Yea you cant deal with these people.. at this point you have to go tianamen square on their ass and just kill them.. jo bhee collatoral hona hay hoi there really isnt any option.. people are going to die anyway without anyone doing something abt it..

[eff-kay]

Originally Posted by Rebel

Yea you cant deal with these people.. at this point you have to go tianamen square on their ass and just kill them.. jo bhee collatoral hona hay hoi there really isnt any option.. people are going to die anyway without anyone doing something abt it..

Cool logic . same logic was applied in 71 by our dumb ass brained army.... lets carpet bomb FATA, shouldn't we?

[Kursed]

Originally Posted by funxlab

Let me correct you here, plastic explosives are mostly used in blasting in mineral excavation where conditions are wet and therefore it is available everywhere where mining is going on not just FATA.

According to the interior minister, it was RDX (that's military grade plastic explosive). Kindly let me know, if you folks find that sort of explosives at mineral excavation sites?

For those who want these people to be let go off, condone and justify their actions:

Battle to be won or lost in Bajaur


By Ismail Khan
THE battle in the Bajaur Agency has not only become a tipping-point for Pakistan’s internal security, it can also have a deep impact on the country’s status as a key US ally in the war against terrorism. In the second week of August, the operation started haltingly to prevent what looked like the imminent fall of Bajaur’s regional headquarters, Khaar, to the militants.

Having suffered initial reversals, the operation is now on at full throttle. It has created a surrender-or-die situation for the militants and a now-or-never moment for the country’s security forces.

Predictably, the militants are using everything they have to hold their ground. Government and security officials say that they are baffled by the resilience and stiff resistance offered by the battle-hardened fighters, by their tactics and the sophistication of their weapons and communications systems.

“They have good weaponry and a better communication system (than ours),” said a senior official. “Even the sniper rifles they use are better than some of ours. Their tactics are mind-boggling and they have defences that would take us days to build. It does not look as though we are fighting a rag-tag militia; they are fighting like an organised force.”

Dawn

[An_igma]

It was never a war imposed by Islam. Rather it was tailor made to suit US objectives in this region. People blame Musharaf for all this destruction, i agree that he was one of the causes, for all the havoc we are witnessing these days. But the main culprits should be those Governments that actually launched and supported this Taliban and Jehad thing and totally failed to foresee (or deliberately overlooked) the consequences. Now these militant leaders are resisting to let go the power they have enjoyed for more than a decade, their followers listen to nobody but them. Government has tried to talk these Jehadi leaders into retreating for the sake of Pakistan but they don't care.

Problem is we can't leave them like that, they are exposed now. Nobody supports them except some of the Pakistanis, Nobody owns them except our tribal people. Still they prefer to fight against us, still they opt to use those innocent children and women as shields. It hurts to see people putting forward the news of two Us marines or how many people were killed in Bajour as a justification for this massive blast which left so many muslim dead. Apart from the loss of lives, you can't even imagine how much Pakistan and Islam has suffered as a result of these blasts.

[Cateye]

Since kurrsed pointed out towards the article..

“They have good weaponry and a better communication system (than ours),” said a senior official. “Even the sniper rifles they use are better than some of ours. Their tactics are mind-boggling and they have defences that would take us days to build. It does not look as though we are fighting a rag-tag militia; they are fighting like an organised force.”

Question is who is funding them and why?

[Saad Anas]

most likely to create a reason....

[hsyed26]

I'd have to agree with Rebel and An_igma here. This case is like an 18 year old wanting to leave their parent's care because they don't like them but still expect financial payouts to help them "find themselves." I understand that resources were low in the region and the government took no positive stances in the allocation and deployment, but letting a militant force proliferate that actively targets your own country's resources is not smart.

I'm honestly in favor of nuking the damn place. I have read all the cases and seen the situation, what relevant growth has come out of it? Even the most backward places in the world have some form of contribution to their respective countries. They do it via handicrafts, tourism, cultural heritage, etc and taking a proactive step. Frankly speaking, it's not the government's job to do everything. If you've got a deficiency in your area, you go complain and harass the individuals involved until they listen to you. If not, we've got a fairly over-active media that'll do the job equally as well. There are multiple available channels for venting your frustration, this is not a freakin' valid manner of doing so.

For God's sake, all the Islam these people practice, they've got about an ounce of intelligence amongst all of them. Anyone provide some guide as to how, using "tribal" customs and interpretation, the death of 50 people and destruction of resources is "Islamic" and justifiable.

Every time any form of government attempts to talk with these people, we just end up with more blasts. What is so hard about telling the government we need the following things: etc? I mean you've got the media covering your side as well, for God's sake, sit them down in the meeting, and if the evil government doesn't listen to you, REPLAY THE DAMN TAPES AND EMBARRASS THEM. If anyone attempts to cite the "illiteracy and education" card, and how easily people can take advantage of them, stuff it. If they can operate high-end military equipment and knock off secure targets remotely using minimalistic training and funds, they're not effin' dumb, they're effin' smart.

Every time a blast happens, people ask me why do people do this only in your country? Heck, even the Saudis had a huge problem but they ended it. How'd they do it? What's so different between you and them? Aren't you a freer, more open society in comparison? Frankly speaking at that point, I feel like drowning myself. It's effin' embarrassing to be called a Muslim and Pakistani nowadays.

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I was just at few new images and the amount of damage to the neighboring buildings is horrifying. Big pieces of windows glass can be found on desk. The death toll could have been event worst if it was a weekday and working hours
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Here is a Poem written about recent situation of our country

[funxlab]

Originally Posted by KuRsEd

According to the interior minister, it was RDX (that's military grade plastic explosive). Kindly let me know, if you folks find that sort of explosives at mineral excavation sites?
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Kushed u were talking about plastic explosives previously not about RDX. RDX itself is not a plastic explosive Btw I have studied Explosives and Blasting Technology

[sheharyar]

I cannot understand what kind of ministry do we have?

Interior minister says that they were planning to have iftari at marriot but the news came in early and they changed the venue whereas some other political people as well as Mr. Hashwani the owner saying that there was no booking and that was a false statement by the minister Rehman Malik.

Simply wtf? I mean if minister knows there is going to be a bomb blast then why didnt they put an alert, but anyways it is such a ridicule that people saying minister saying false statement.

[smokenfog]

Originally Posted by sheharyar

I cannot understand what kind of ministry do we have?

Interior minister says that they were planning to have iftari at marriot but the news came in early and they changed the venue whereas some other political people as well as Mr. Hashwani the owner saying that there was no booking and that was a false statement by the minister Rehman Malik.

Simply wtf? I mean if minister knows there is going to be a bomb blast then why didnt they put an alert, but anyways it is such a ridicule that people saying minister saying false statement.

Are you sure that Rehman Malik said that he already knew about attack?

[Kursed]

Originally Posted by funxlab

Kushed u were talking about plastic explosives previously not about RDX. RDX itself is not a plastic explosive Btw I have studied Explosives and Blasting Technology

True, my bad, in this instance they'd combined it with TNT (composition B of military explosives) - according to news reports - not exactly plastic explosives.

Originally Posted by smokenfog

Are you sure that Rehman Malik said that he already knew about attack?

He's just covering the statement made by the Prime Minister the other day. Rehman Malik, in a press conference, after the blasts told press reporters that the hotel was in fact the primary target for the suicide bombing. This, while the Prime Minister of Pakistan, in his usual bid to claim sympathy for the government, went on a tirade claiming how terrorists wanted to target democratic forces in the country. And that parliament was the primary target for this particular terrorist attack.

Their contradictory statements were later played up by different tv stations, which then made the government to come out, retract home ministry's earlier stance and make a new claim.

[AhmedKhan]

Originally Posted by hsyed26

I'd have to agree with Rebel and An_igma here. This case is like an 18 year old wanting to leave their parent's care because they don't like them but still expect financial payouts to help them "find themselves." I understand that resources were low in the region and the government took no positive stances in the allocation and deployment, but letting a militant force proliferate that actively targets your own country's resources is not smart.

I'm honestly in favor of nuking the damn place. I have read all the cases and seen the situation, what relevant growth has come out of it? Even the most backward places in the world have some form of contribution to their respective countries. They do it via handicrafts, tourism, cultural heritage, etc and taking a proactive step. Frankly speaking, it's not the government's job to do everything. If you've got a deficiency in your area, you go complain and harass the individuals involved until they listen to you. If not, we've got a fairly over-active media that'll do the job equally as well. There are multiple available channels for venting your frustration, this is not a freakin' valid manner of doing so.

For God's sake, all the Islam these people practice, they've got about an ounce of intelligence amongst all of them. Anyone provide some guide as to how, using "tribal" customs and interpretation, the death of 50 people and destruction of resources is "Islamic" and justifiable.

Every time any form of government attempts to talk with these people, we just end up with more blasts. What is so hard about telling the government we need the following things: etc? I mean you've got the media covering your side as well, for God's sake, sit them down in the meeting, and if the evil government doesn't listen to you, REPLAY THE DAMN TAPES AND EMBARRASS THEM. If anyone attempts to cite the "illiteracy and education" card, and how easily people can take advantage of them, stuff it. If they can operate high-end military equipment and knock off secure targets remotely using minimalistic training and funds, they're not effin' dumb, they're effin' smart.

Every time a blast happens, people ask me why do people do this only in your country? Heck, even the Saudis had a huge problem but they ended it. How'd they do it? What's so different between you and them? Aren't you a freer, more open society in comparison? Frankly speaking at that point, I feel like drowning myself. It's effin' embarrassing to be called a Muslim and Pakistani nowadays.

What are you talking about? What development and illetracy and all? This has got nothing to do with people of NWFP, ok a little but not like your post seems to suggest. Who do you think are the REAL victims? Not us? We get one bomb in our "cities" and we go crazy, making threads and what not. How many threads have we made about blasts in FATA and NWFP?

Afganistan was invaded, a country crawling full of Talis and Al-Qaeda. nobody got caught and not a lot of them were killed. So what happened to them all? Vanished in thin air? No, they moved in Pakistan. Now you have to remember, these people are not som bunch of idiots or "outlaws". These are the people who have resisted the world's largest army, fought through civil war and established a country. Why wouldn't be they better than Pakistan Army. Army is such a *****, they are sending FC and Khasdar to fight these. Does that sound fair? But they want to save their face so they send security personnel on "suicide missions". What's the logic of sending paramilitary, poorly equipped security to one of the world's rather world's most experienced fighters. They have been fighting for over a generation now. They have fought the best armies of the world and so far have the upper hand. Who in their right mind thinks FC or Khasdar can crush them? Pakistan Army just doesn't want to humiliate themselves.

I don't know why people think of it as an "economic" terms. Yes, they are using they are getting "pawns" due to this reason but they are not who they are because of economic undergrowth. They have huge fundings and they are educated people with an ideology that drives everyone...World domination. Everyone wants that, they just have chosen not to play by the rules.

Our Army STILL considers them "assets" and proxy wariorrs. Perhaps for a time like this where we can project the US attacking Pakistan.

It's not such an easy problem to solve. They are much better trained than the Army and way way more motivated. They have nothing to lose. It's a very tough enemy to fight. Moreover, they have a network of tunnels and caves which are natural "bunkers". You can bomb and shell them all you want and it wouldn't make a difference. It's easy for us to say, kill them all. 2 problems with that, 1) do you REALLY want to kill EVERYONE in NWFP? 2) Even if you do, how would you do it because they are in caves and bunkers?

You talk about Saudis and what not. All the terrorists in the world are their desciples. They are as you say "noobs" and/or "wannabe". We have the real deal. We have the masters and the trainers. We have the producers of terror all over the world. Our task is many times harder than anyone in the world. So let's not get into Saudis did it.

Remember, their aim is not Islam or not Amreeka...it's world domination with their idealogy (Islam is what they LIKE to call it). They are not very difference from any other "superpower" or imperialist state. The only difference is they don't play by the rules and that makes all the difference.