An Interesting Conversation Between A Student (muslim) And Teacher (atheist)

[loyals]

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy speaks to his class on the problem Science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new students to stand and.....



Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.


Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.


Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
didn't.
How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is
God good?
Student: Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?
Student: No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?
Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?


Student does not answer.


Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?


Student has no answer.


Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.

Student: No sir. There isn't.


(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)


Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat,
mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.

Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the
absence of it.


(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)


Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?


Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have
nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness
isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker,
wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.

To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.


Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?


(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)


Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?


(The class is in uproar.)


Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's brain?


(The class breaks out into laughter.)


Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.

With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?


(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)


Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH . That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

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About God Former President A P J Abdul Kalam

This student was none other than Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, the Ex-President of India.

I thought this was a pretty good discussion and on an extremely philosophical standpoint, perhaps more than so any other discussion or article you may ever read.

I agree, people that love science are perhaps obsessed with the concept of duality!

[TsAr]

Interesting

[towelie]

nevermind

[loyals]

^ n/m???

[MummyDaddy]

This particular 'incident' is a hoax. It never involved Dr. Abdul Kalam. A few years ago, the same email was circulated saying that the incident involved Einstein. That too was false.

The Einstein-Atheist Professor Hoax

The link I've provided also includes a brief response to the arguments advanced against atheism. I'm sure towelie would be more than happy to expand on this should he feel like doing so.

MD

P.S. All you need is an MRI or CT scan to demolish the argument advanced by the student.

[SubZero]

but it still stands valid to some extent.

all ive got from this long story is to be patient and let the stupid professor babble on about his shit.

lol

[SiB]

The Student is so stupid, If I were the Professor, all I'd have given him a facepalm look.

Originally Posted by MummyDaddy

P.S. All you need is an MRI or CT scan to demolish the argument advanced by the student.

[loyals]

Originally Posted by MummyDaddy

P.S. All you need is an MRI or CT scan to demolish the argument advanced by the student.

The point in my opinion the student tried to make that apparently no one can see, feel or smell the brain of the professor therefore we would have to put our faith with professor to believe that he has brain in his head.

We have to put faith with people in many ways in our daily life, for instance an illiterate persons visits a doctor and he prescribes him some medicine then he has to put his faith with the doctor and since there is no way he can figure at his own if the prescribed medicine will really cure him or not or what those medicine are made of.

To me both humanity and science at this point are not 'literate' enough to prove the existence of God in a scientific manner. Therefore God sent down Prophets to teach people about God and religion. However I am pretty sure that i would see a time in my lifetime when science will eventually actually prove the existence of God.

[SiB]

Originally Posted by loyals

The point in my opinion the student tried to make that apparently no one can see, feel or smell the brain of the professor therefore we would have to put our faith with professor to believe that he has brain in his head.

Then the student is a douche bag, It's a universal fact, that people have brains, it can be seen, it can be touched, it can be smelled too, once the brain is out of the skull, obviously. It's no mystery. Hence you don't need to have faith that the professor has a brain, you just need to be a sane person.

Originally Posted by loyals

We have to put faith with people in many ways in our daily life, for instance an illiterate persons visits a doctor and he prescribes him some medicine then he has to put his faith with the doctor and since there is no way he can figure at his own if the prescribed medicine will really cure him or not or what those medicine are made of.

To me both humanity and science at this point are not 'literate' enough to prove the existence of God in a scientific manner. Therefore God sent down Prophets to teach people about God and religion. However I am pretty sure that i would see a time in my lifetime when science will eventually actually prove the existence of God.

A Doctor is a certified individual, examined by the best people in the medicine field, so I think it's a safe bet to believe that whatever he's prescribing is safe to take.

[loyals]

Originally Posted by SiB

A Doctor is a certified individual, examined by the best people in the medicine field, so I think it's a safe bet to believe that whatever he's prescribing is safe to take.

Of course we take the prescribed medicine because we 'believe' in Doctors and our this behavior is also influenced by the other people's faith with the doctors. I know they are qualified individuals , but i gave you an example of an illiterate person. He simply has to put his faith with the doctor.

If you look at the Islamic history, Prophet Muhammad (S) didn't suddenly ask people to believe in God, instead he was famous for being 'Sadiq' and 'Amin' and at one point he asked people if he says there is an army of men behind this cliff would you believe that, they all said yes we will, because we know you don't lie. Hence Prophet Said, then also believe that there is one God which name is Allah.

So what i meant it's not uncommon among human beings to put faith or believe people. And like you said it's a safe bet to believe in a Doctor therefore for me it's also a safe bet to believe in a Prophet esp., the one who is known for being 'sadiq' and 'amin' even among those who didn't believe in him.

[960bhp]

Originally Posted by loyals

Of course we take the prescribed medicine because we 'believe' in Doctors and our this behavior is also influenced by the other people's faith with the doctors. I know they are qualified individuals , but i gave you an example of an illiterate person. He simply has to put his faith with the doctor.

If you look at the Islamic history, Prophet Muhammad (S) didn't suddenly ask people to believe in God, instead he was famous for being 'Sadiq' and 'Amin' and at one point he asked people if he says there is an army of men behind this cliff would you believe that, they all said yes we will, because we know you don't lie. Hence Prophet Said, then also believe that there is one God which name is Allah.

So what i meant it's not uncommon among human beings to put faith or believe people. And like you said it's a safe bet to believe in a Doctor therefore for me it's also a safe bet to believe in a Prophet esp., the one who is known for being 'sadiq' and 'amin' even among those who didn't believe in him.

well said man

[SiB]

Originally Posted by loyals

Of course we take the prescribed medicine because we 'believe' in Doctors and our this behavior is also influenced by the other people's faith with the doctors. I know they are qualified individuals , but i gave you an example of an illiterate person. He simply has to put his faith with the doctor.

If you look at the Islamic history, Prophet Muhammad (S) didn't suddenly ask people to believe in God, instead he was famous for being 'Sadiq' and 'Amin' and at one point he asked people if he says there is an army of men behind this cliff would you believe that, they all said yes we will, because we know you don't lie. Hence Prophet Said, then also believe that there is one God which name is Allah.

So what i meant it's not uncommon among human beings to put faith or believe people. And like you said it's a safe bet to believe in a Doctor therefore for me it's also a safe bet to believe in a Prophet esp., the one who is known for being 'sadiq' and 'amin' even among those who didn't believe in him.

Note: I really respect you Jeff bhai, don't take it as a personal offense.

But just because one guy, who's cosidered to be "sadiq" and "ameen" says that there's a God, and since you believe in everything I say, believe this too, is not reason enough to make a person believe that there indeed is a God. I know that muslims respect Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) a lot, but is it sensible for a person to believe whatever a person says?

Besides, how will you convince an atheist? Won't he just laugh back at you? He probably won't hold Prophet Muhammad's word credible, because he probably doesn't thinks that he was a reliable man.

[loyals]

^ I got your point bro and i fully understand it. If someone does not believe in God it simply does not bother me, why would it bother me at the first place.... but thing is most of the atheists that i came across here and elsewhere try to convince others that there is no God (as if they are the savior of humanity) and often imply that all who do believe in God are morons. And this kind of behavior really irritates me.

[happymaza]

nice and informative piece of topic....!

[Kayawish]

nice..........