Pakistan Army Torture Video surfaces

[Fookie]

I guess if the Taliban beating the woman video was "not fake".

So is this "not fake".


This is how Pakistan army interrogate innocent Pashtuns - iReport.com

[towelie]

How do you know these aren't Taleban collaborators ?

Also, as the linked website calls this "Punjabi" brutality against Pashtuns, could you please explain how a Pushtun/Balochi/Sindhi/Muhajir interrogator/intelligence officer would extract information from them ? By drowning them with love ?

[TsAr]

What were you thinking that they would make love to talibans or al-qaeda.....
I believe this video is fake the reason is interrogations are not done in this way....army personnel would never allow someone to take a cell fone or a camera along with them during interrogation....

[Fookie]

Originally Posted by towelie

How do you know these aren't Taleban collaborators ?

Also, as the linked website calls this "Punjabi" brutality against Pashtuns, could you please explain how a Pushtun/Balochi/Sindhi/Muhajir interrogator/intelligence officer would extract information from them ? By drowning them with love ?

How do you know these are Taleban collaborators ?

YouTube - Beating Video May Turn Tide Against Taliban

[mbby2k]

well if it was torture than the army wasnt good at it

they just ruffled taliban collaborators in order to soften them

what did u expect them to do the "Innocent Homicidal Walking Time Bomb Pastuns"

may be they should have sent christiane amanpur to do some sweet booty talking that would been enough for the innocent pashtuns to spill their guts

Lame Video

[towelie]

I can't understand how you can make a moral comparison between school burning Taleban beating a woman in public and army officers interrogating suspected militant collaborators.

[fallout]

What a shameless attempt to change the public opinion about Pakistan Army and undermine the great job they are doing in Swat and Malakand. I am not surprised why Mr. Fookie choose to post this video here and why he is so interested in comparing two completely different videos to make us conclude that Taliban never flogged any Girl or if Taliban flogged any girl, so what? Pakistan Army is also beating so called "Innocent" man.

First i am not sure if this video is authentic or a propaganda video to take some lost sympathies back for taliban. But lets "suppose" that this video is authentic, now Mr, Fookie, if there is any sense left in you, can you please tell me how you can compare some religious extremists challenging writ of the Government by taking law in their hands by using religion and publicly flog a girl after accusing her of going out with her father in law WITH a country's Army whose responsibility is to take care of law and order by dealing with miscreants (internal and external) using any means possible.

I know you can't see the difference, because some mullah (who hates women and loves giving lectures against freedom for women) told you that Pakistan Army is killing its own Muslim Brothers Mujahedeen, and you just completely ignored the fact that right now if we are safe and sound in Lahore, Karachi and other major cities of Pakistan, its because of so many lives Pakistan army sacrificed to kill so many insane animals called Taliban.

Even if this video is authentic, which it seems unlikely as Pakistan Army is not that unprofessional to let people videotape their interrogation sessions, but as i said lets suppose its real even then i fully support any action Pakistan army took to deal with some extremist ugly beardy pig.

[Kursed]

What did they expect in interrogation rooms, after what they've done? That they'd be given a heros' welcome? Or get garlands in their necks? And this was just a normal beating, for heaven's sake, children in our government schools are canned harder than that.

I'd rather, they return the favor by doing this to 'em. These animals deserve not an iota of sympathy.

Another Swati pays with life for saving Chinese engineer

PESHAWAR: The bullet-riddled body of a Swati in whose house the kidnapped Chinese engineer had spent a night in October 2008 after escaping from Taliban captivity was found here Wednesday.

The 54-year old Jamaluddin Khan, a landlord from Chinglalai village in Swat’s Matta tehsil, had been kidnapped from outside his rented home in Sector F-8 in Hayatabad’s Phase 6 in Peshawar on September 28. His was one of the two bodies dumped in fields in Garhi Atta Muhammad village on the outskirts of Peshawar on Tuesday. As the bodies were unclaimed, both were buried by the police in the same village.

On Wednesday, Jamaluddin’s brother Sadeed Khan came looking for the body and met the staff of Yakatoot police station. His kidnapped brother was untraceable and he feared that Jamaluddin might have been killed. “The body was decomposed and I had difficulty recognizing it. But we knew it was Jamaluddin,” an aggrieved Sadeed Khan told The News.

The family took the body to Swat for burial. Despite risk to their life from remnants of Taliban militants, Sadeed Khan and members of the family were determined to travel to their village Chingalalai to bury Jamaluddin in their ancestral graveyard.

For the past one year, Jamaluddin had been living in Peshawar after fleeing Swat. He is survived by a widow, three sons and three daughters. He had recently obtained a US visa and was booked to fly to New York on October 3. The Qatar Airways flight was to take him from Peshawar to Doha and then onward to New York. But his enemies were apparently aware of his travel plans and they struck before he could leave Pakistan.

“I was urging him to leave during Ramazan. I knew he was under threat, but he delayed his departure and paid with his life,” recalled Sadeed Khan, who was a senior officer in the telephone department in Swat when life in the scenic valley was peaceful.

Sadeed Khan didn’t blame anyone for his brother’s murder. “We didn’t harm anybody and had no enemies. But all of us felt threatened when Jamaluddin and his cousin Liaqat Ali Khan helped save the life of the Chinese engineer in Swat on the night of October 17, 2008.

Liaqat, who belonged to Dagai village in Matta tehsil, had driven the Chinese engineer Zhang Guo in his car and delivered him to the nearby Pakistan Army camp at Vennai. Following his escape from Taliban custody in the Shawar or Peochar area, the 30-year old Zhang Guo had run for his life and sought refuge in Jamaluddin’s house in Chinglalai. He was lodged in a cattleshed due to fear of the Taliban, who were chasing the two escaped Chinese engineers. The Taliban managed to recapture Lang Xiao We, the younger, 26-year old Chinese engineer who broke his leg and fell while running in the mountainous area. Taliban searched Jamaluddin’s house but didn’t look for the Chinese engineer in the cattleshed.

In the morning, Jamaluddin and his servants phoned Liaqat and it was decided that Zhang Guo should be handed over to the army troops. This was done but then misfortune of the two families began.

Despite obvious threat to his life, Liaqat refused to leave Swat. On November 20, Taliban militants ambushed his car and killed him. Two days later, Jamaluddin escaped to Peshawar and managed to survive for about a year. Though his family isn’t accusing the militants of the murder at this stage, it appears that Jamaluddin, like his cousin Liaqat, paid with his life for helping the Chinese engineer and earning the ire of the Swat Taliban. The two men had defied the militants, who subsequently got several of their men freed from government custody and also received a handsome amount as ransom in exchange for the second Chinese engineer, Lang Xiao We, who too had escaped and was recaptured.

Source: The News

[babarhyd]

After watching the whole video I can clearly see it was a raid at Taliban collaborators. If you at the middle of the movie where a tall person is beaten he repeatedly says "Nahi bataoonga nahi bataoonga". Also a soldier with megaphone which mean they already warned them or asked them to handover themselves. All of them did not come out at once, one by one they were being brought forward from inside the house. Its all propaganda against Pakistan Army.

And you call this torture? As Kursed mentioned even school kids rather more cans than this.

[luv2xlr8]

After reading comments like

What did they expect in interrogation rooms, after what they've done? That they'd be given a heros' welcome? Or get garlands in their necks? And this was just a normal beating, for heaven's sake, children in our government schools are canned harder than that.

I'd rather, they return the favor by doing this to 'em. These animals deserve not an iota of sympathy.

A question pops up in my mind that if a person rapes or commits a similar crime then is it okay to go and punish him differently other then the law ? Is okay if i rip the person's eyes or head with my bear hands saying after what he has done he deserves this ?

Moreover, this whole video fake or propaganda or what ever the fuck you people want to call it .. i am not sure what good would it bring. Would it help eliminate talibans ? really ? what about the locals who were tourtured and were innocent ? wont there perception change about our army and US people? i mean fine the talibans blew up schools raped people etc etc then what the fuck are we doing ? is it simple tit for tat ?

Religion is out of the question at the moment cause people like fallout and others come and start thrashing and crapping about what's IN or NOT IN Islam. So once the religion is out the way then another question pops up in my mind that why the fuck do we(and the rest of the people around the world including americans) protest or get moved by what ever the US government is doing in Abu gurab, Guantanamo bay and other torture cells ? i mean where the fuck do the human rights go ? where the fuck does all the NOT guilty till proven shit goes ? where the fuck does all the theories go ?


Moreover the people in the video dont look like talibans or poeple who can commit suicide bombing or anything like that .. they look local residents yea GOD knows they might be helping taliban or not .. how the fuck are we sure ? and that ARMY guy not sure what rank would he be .. just listen to what he says "bhanchod dallah ankhein dekhata hai.." .. and we call them martyrs when they die .. fuck man .. finally if you want to interrogate then atleast keep your fuckin mouth clean. This also gives and idea about our BRAVE soldiers.

I simply cant understand and believe that when ever this war ends *God knows when* how will all the people in these areas would want to be called Pakistanis or would have love for this country for which our army and WE are doing so much.

[babarhyd]

Originally Posted by luv2xlr8

After reading comments like


A question pops up in my mind that if a person rapes or commits a similar crime then is it okay to go and punish him differently other then the law ? Is okay if i rip the person's eyes or head with my bear hands saying after what he has done he deserves this ?

Moreover, this whole video fake or propaganda or what ever the fuck you people want to call it .. i am not sure what good would it bring. Would it help eliminate talibans ? really ? what about the locals who were tourtured and were innocent ? wont there perception change about our army and US people? i mean fine the talibans blew up schools raped people etc etc then what the fuck are we doing ? is it simple tit for tat ?

Religion is out of the question at the moment cause people like fallout and others come and start thrashing and crapping about what's IN or NOT IN Islam. So once the religion is out the way then another question pops up in my mind that why the fuck do we(and the rest of the people around the world including americans) protest or get moved by what ever the US government is doing in Abu gurab, Guantanamo bay and other torture cells ? i mean where the fuck do the human rights go ? where the fuck does all the NOT guilty till proven shit goes ? where the fuck does all the theories go ?


Moreover the people in the video dont look like talibans or poeple who can commit suicide bombing or anything like that .. they look local residents yea GOD knows they might be helping taliban or not .. how the fuck are we sure ? and that ARMY guy not sure what rank would he be .. just listen to what he says "bhanchod dallah ankhein dekhata hai.." .. and we call them martyrs when they die .. fuck man .. finally if you want to interrogate then atleast keep your fuckin mouth clean. This also gives and idea about our BRAVE soldiers.

I simply cant understand and believe that when ever this war ends *God knows when* how will all the people in these areas would want to be called Pakistanis or would have love for this country for which our army and WE are doing so much.

You are missing the point here. Think rational again. Its for the greater benefit of all man kind!

[formerp]

Originally Posted by luv2xlr8

After reading comments like


A question pops up in my mind that if a person rapes or commits a similar crime then is it okay to go and punish him differently other then the law ? Is okay if i rip the person's eyes or head with my bear hands saying after what he has done he deserves this ?

Moreover, this whole video fake or propaganda or what ever the fuck you people want to call it .. i am not sure what good would it bring. Would it help eliminate talibans ? really ? what about the locals who were tourtured and were innocent ? wont there perception change about our army and US people? i mean fine the talibans blew up schools raped people etc etc then what the fuck are we doing ? is it simple tit for tat ?

Religion is out of the question at the moment cause people like fallout and others come and start thrashing and crapping about what's IN or NOT IN Islam. So once the religion is out the way then another question pops up in my mind that why the fuck do we(and the rest of the people around the world including americans) protest or get moved by what ever the US government is doing in Abu gurab, Guantanamo bay and other torture cells ? i mean where the fuck do the human rights go ? where the fuck does all the NOT guilty till proven shit goes ? where the fuck does all the theories go ?


Moreover the people in the video dont look like talibans or poeple who can commit suicide bombing or anything like that .. they look local residents yea GOD knows they might be helping taliban or not .. how the fuck are we sure ? and that ARMY guy not sure what rank would he be .. just listen to what he says "bhanchod dallah ankhein dekhata hai.." .. and we call them martyrs when they die .. fuck man .. finally if you want to interrogate then atleast keep your fuckin mouth clean. This also gives and idea about our BRAVE soldiers.

I simply cant understand and believe that when ever this war ends *God knows when* how will all the people in these areas would want to be called Pakistanis or would have love for this country for which our army and WE are doing so much.

Do these people look like normal Talibans to you?
Also, let me state what exactly is torture and what are the SOP of treating enemy spy
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1) Cheera: They give a cut exactky between your balls and your a$$hole with a sharp point blade, so that when ever you sh!t, you are reminded of the 'guud' times.

2) Shuffing a piece of barbed wire inside your 'hole': They take a small piece of barbed wire, put it in a equal length steel pipe, lubricate it (if your are feeling lucky) and then push it up you AH, and guess what, then they pull out the steel pipe and leave the WIRE inside.
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If you think this is harsh treatment for Taliban and their supporters then you probably don't know how military interrogate enemy personal (and not Just Pakistan Army....google Abu Gharib Prison).Several hundred respectable Pakistanis died in suicide attacks due to Talibans.
I sure hope Taliban interrogation process is very good and they greet Soldier's with Mithai Islamization Watch: Video: Taliban slaughter Pakistani soldiers and residents like animals
As for some becoming squeamish over 'old people being beaten', I don't see why we should feel so bad just because of their age - Muslim Khan is in his fifties or sixites, and did any of you complaining about 'old people being beaten' listen to that hate filled rant of his to a Talib that was intercepted?'Kill the children and families of the Soldiers'?I have seen videos where PA men are slaughtered in numbers by Talibans while chanting A’Akbar and reciting from Quran in the background...Sure many others must have seen those videos too... The treatment they are getting is not even an iota closer to what they did to our own people.These sickos have raped young girls, killed 1000s, destroyed peoples’ lives / lifelong belongings and traumatized a whole generation in the name of Islam. They are bent upon destroying Pakistan to its core. How can this lot be compared with the people who are fighting for freedom or for their rights ? What rights Talibans are fighting for? OR What good their actions are for Pakistan or its people or even Islam in general? This lot is just pure EVIL and should be treated in the same manner they treat others.PA just won’t pickup on anyone and start kicking their arses until and unless they have a positive lead against them.More importantly what we know now is that these were not some random suspects pulled off the streets. They were men with specific intelligence on them linking them to the terrorists and even to the particular crimes they committed like kidnapping servicemen. It is very possible that the major/captain was an intelligence officer, what is without doubt is his willingness to restrain and reprimand his men when he felt lines were being approached.We can discuss the methods used here to extract information and we can talk about the undoubtedly negative impact this will have to the Army's somewhat restored imagine. But I would urge all to keep things in prospective and not get emotional due to the no doubt harsh content of the video.Still TTP has many mouthpieces all over the country who even justified the TTP videotaped executions as the killings of foreign spies...Even an iota of understanding of the situation will give some justification for authorities when they are short on time to save lives and have to engage in something we all see commonly and acknowledge as normal thing in this part of the world and i dare say in most of the world...Also, you can't compare this situation to US Army atrocities in Iraq.
1) Did PA invade Swat? NO
2) Did PA launch its campaign for Swat's Oil? No
3) Did PA cause ethnic cleansing in Swat? No
4) Did PA kill people without hesitation like the trigger happy Americans? No
5) Did PA do it for the interests of Is ra ee l? No
It is because of people like you that these criminals succeed in ruining our people and our Homeland.

[luv2xlr8]

Originally Posted by babarhyd

You are missing the point here. Think rational again. Its for the greater benefit of all man kind!

All i can say to your comment is .. we are still young and hopefully we will live atleast another 20 - 25 years .. and hopefully WCCF would be here too and by then if this thread is not locked i will surely ask the greater benefit that mankind benefited ..


We have examples of Afghanistan and Iraq.. people tried to bring the same "greater benefit of mankind" and so far its been almost more then 10 years now and the "greater benefit of mankind" doesn't seem to anywhere ..

[Captain Oblivious]

Because the the guy keeps yelling 'Nai Bataoon ga, Nai Bataoon ga' (as already mentioned by babarhyd), shows that he knows something that he's hiding from the interrogators.

Furthermore, I think it's a little unfair for us to point fingers before the identity of the accused has been confirmed; It's fairly easy to don on army uniforms and stage a fake interrogation. Considering the fact that the method of interrogation involved wasn't the most brutal thing I've seen or heard of, I don't get what all the fuss is about. Also, I don't get all this talk about him 'not looking like a Taliban', since when did the Taliban have a specific look?

[luv2xlr8]

^^

t's fairly easy to don on army uniforms and stage a fake interrogation

but its not easy to fake by wearing shalwar qamiz and lashing a women .. WOW .. i must salute you all !!


EDIT

Another quote from fallout .. which shows so much ignorance

Even if this video is authentic, which it seems unlikely as Pakistan Army is not that unprofessional to let people videotape their interrogation sessions, but as i said lets suppose its real even then i fully support any action Pakistan army took to deal with some extremist ugly beardy pig.

i cant believe you people are saying this .. how can you SAY that the " beating a woman in public" video is NOT fake and this "army beating local people" is FAKE .. how did you come to a conclusion like that ? you are clearly a racists who generalizes people and simple call every bearded person "extremist ugly beardy pig".