Nawaz Quits Coalition Government

[MummyDaddy]

Pakistan Muslim League-N Chief, Nawaz Sharif Monday formally announced to quit the Federal Cabinet and that ministers of his party will tender resignations to the Prime Minister tomorrow.

Addressing a press conference here after the meeting of the PML-N’s Central Working Committee, he said: “PPP failed to keep its promise and that is why we have decided to part ways with the coalition government.”

Source

This, as well as the news that the media has been ordered not to comment on any sitting judges, is bad news.

MD

[Kursed]

And PEMRA just announced that all those draconian laws, that the government had promised would be abolished, are still in place.

[|BloodBath|]

Musharraf > Democracy

All this time of whining and useless rants. What has democracy given you? Increase in the price of basic necessities such as food? Not to forget the countless promises - Murree declaration my ARSE!

Come on! We all know that Musharraf's rule, if not the best in the history of Pakistan, was nevertheless a good one. At least the bastards who've sold their souls again and again were kept away from the country. At least the average Joe could afford a day's meal.

You want the judiciary restored? Why? So you can use them for your own political gains? So that they can have the BA requirement removed and all cases against them dropped?

Bash me all you want, that won't change the fact that you've always wanted something that is not in the best interest of the country.

FUCK democracy for all I care.


Note: No offense intended.

[eff-kay]

As I expected

I dunno why nation started to hope that zardari is gonna do anything positive.. He is, without a shadow of doubt, one of the most corrupt people of Pakistan.

Judges ain't gonna come back - coz USA is still interested in keeping its Dawg alive. They are supporting coz their mission in this region is not yet over.

One of the main reasons why Muslim (or perhaps third world countries) are unable to progress is that USA controls the economy and government using dictatorship (either by an army dawg or using a king). This gives them immense control over the policy makings of countries. Governments can take 'bold' steps which normal democratic governments can't even think about.

Anyhooo... more fun comin up. Zardariz gonna rape the country once again - while nation is protesting for judges ..... he has got nice cover....

Things gonna get worse for people who have small-medium business links with foreign countries......

[Dr.Farhan]

Originally Posted by |BloodBath|

Musharraf > Democracy

All this time of whining and useless rants. What has democracy given you? Increase in the price of basic necessities such as food? Not to forget the countless promises - Murree declaration my ARSE!

You want the judiciary restored? Why? So you can use them for your own political gains? So that they can have the BA requirement removed and all cases against them dropped?

Bash me all you want, that won't change the fact that you've always wanted something that is not in the best interest of the country.

FUCK democracy for all I care.


Note: No offense intended.

i love the mods for saying
"Bash me all you want, "
and i still love the mods..cuz no one can bash a mod... its like musharafs rule.. its dictator ship, but like the great leader KANE of tiberium war said"peace through power"......

oooh and ludacris also said for mods..
""yeek yeek, woop, woop, why you all in my ear,
talking a whole bunch of shit i aint try to hear..
get BANNED moth** Fuc**, you dont know me like that
get BANNED moth** Fuc**, you dont know me like that"

yeek yeek, woop, woop, i aint playing around,
make one false move i`ll take you down,
get BANNED moth** Fuc**, you dont know me like that
get BANNED moth** Fuc**, you dont know me like that""""


Replace the word Mod with Musharaf where felt suitable...

and for main topic ..
give me food and water twice a day.. give me clothes and shelter..give me electricity.. make every body the president,and kill all the judges...a small sacrifice for the greater good...im sure that those killed juges will go to heaven...

[|BloodBath|]

Just to clarify, mods do not own the place. They are answerable to the management, to the entire community. So where deemed necessary, any mod can be questioned for his actions on board.

[MummyDaddy]

Originally Posted by |BloodBath|

Musharraf > Democracy

Prove it.

Originally Posted by |BloodBath|

All this time of whining and useless rants. What has democracy given you? Increase in the price of basic necessities such as food? Not to forget the countless promises - Murree declaration my ARSE!

I'll agree with you on this one. The PPP appears to be backstabbing the people responsible for its historic victory against dictatorship. It's a sad day for democracy, and a sadder day for Pakistan. There was always reason to be skeptical of the PPP, but I never thought this betrayal would be so blatant.

As for the food crisis... part of the problem stems from economic factors outside of Pakistan's control. Part of the blame also has to be directed towards the policies of the Musharraf government. However, while I would normally argue that the current government hasn't had enough time to deal with the crisis, the fact is that it has not, so far, really addressed the food crisis or the inflationary pressures faced by the economy. Again, it is unfair to blame the democratic government alone for the state of affairs, but they have honestly been shirking their responsibility to the electorate. We need to be critical, even if it means attacking a government that we support. I do believe that a flawed democracy is preferable to dictatorship, but that doesn't mean a democratic government should be given a free ride.

Originally Posted by |BloodBath|

Come on! We all know that Musharraf's rule, if not the best in the history of Pakistan, was nevertheless a good one. At least the bastards who've sold their souls again and again were kept away from the country. At least the average Joe could afford a day's meal.

Musharraf's rule oversaw an insurgency in Baluchistan and FATA, widening economic disparities, crackdowns on civil liberties, and the mutilation of the constitution. The average Joe was as badly off then as he is now. The global economic environment was a bit rosier uptil about a year ago, which is why the economy seemed to be in good shape. As I have been arguing for several years now, the fundamentals of the economy have always been shaky, and this was no different under Musharraf. Pakistan's current economic crisis, occurring amidst the global credit crunch and the global food crisis, was inevitable. The Musharraf government, had it still been in power, would have been in the same mess as the current democratic government.

Originally Posted by |BloodBath|

You want the judiciary restored? Why? So you can use them for your own political gains? So that they can have the BA requirement removed and all cases against them dropped?

I don't have any personal political agenda. I just think the rule of law is important, and requires a functioning judiciary. I think its important, in the long-run, to have a working democratic process that prevents one man from imposing his will on an entire country.

I also never agreed with the BA requirement, but that's another debate altogether, and has been discussed in another thread. But what I will agree with you on is the role the PPP and Zardari have played in making a mockery of the entire democratization process. If anything, I'm probably more pissed about it than you are. I actually believed, and still do believe, that this was a historic opportunity for Pakistan to develop a functioning democracy. Such opportunities only come about once in a lifetime, and the PPP has blown it.

Originally Posted by |BloodBath|

Bash me all you want, that won't change the fact that you've always wanted something that is not in the best interest of the country.

You're really going to have to show me why democracy is bad for Pakistan. After all, it's not as if the military's covered itself in glory these past 60 years. Or do you think that Ayub and Zia were God's gift to Pakistan?

Don't expect me to just take your word for it when you say that democracy is bad for Pakistan. Let's have a debate, and let the arguments speak for themselves. Baseless assertions are meaningless.

Originally Posted by |BloodBath|

FUCK democracy for all I care.

No.

MD

P.S. Farhan... which mod has ever said anything to you?

[Dr.Farhan]

ohh man...
why is that people take every thing negative..

READ PEOPL READ
"" I LOVE THE MODS"""

means that i like the mods and their role in this comunity...in a non "attractive" sense..
they are the most impartial and most honourable people here, who have never imposed any of their thoughts on anybody and most neutral of all.. and on apersonal level, i have come to give a lot of respect for their views and ideologies recently.....

a joke is a joke is ajoke is a joke...
justa poem i thought up aboput mods..simply was kidding...

and again READ PEOPLE READ...
i wrote everything bllodbath said and supported it fully...
his thot is 100% right and i have shared their views on many a occasion...

Originally Posted by farhan_ds

Originally Posted by |BloodBath|
FUCK democracy for all I care.

i agree with him.. Totally.. and MD you should realize, bloodbath was Fucking THAT democracy which is currently implemented in pakistann right now or in ast 15years of non army rule..that whore democracy took over the ex-Fuck of bllodbath,,(whatever that may be)

True democracy i welcome wholeheartedly..
current democracy...FU Biatch...

[|BloodBath|]

I don't have to prove my opinion MD. I for one am against the entire concept of this "so called" democracy prevailing in our system.

[Dr.Farhan]

the so called democracy is actually a tactiacal ploy, popularised in our countries by politicians imediaitly after quaideazam,, since his death, every single person that has ever controlled our goverment, has done so with the sole purpose of HIS benefit, and just to make his/her public profile a bit better, increasd the Govt servent pay by 5-10% at max... that may seem like a lot but the problem is that this increase is on the BAsic pay , and not the total pay. basic pay is upto 35% of total pay..

a civil servant getting salary of 8860rs on HIS scale, has a basic pay of 4150rs/-.. ad 10% to that pay, and you get 400rs..wht the FOOOO is this zillat ameez pay increase, but figures sure look gud in papers..

those assholes chaudries, now in oposition recently gave astatement in live press confrence that govt is not fulfilling its promise of food,shelter, electricity and juges..it was those bastards in the first place who ACTUALLY started the acute shortage of food and electricity, and THEY suported the Musharafs juge issue...so how are they the forerunners of SAVING our nation.??

and zardari and Altaf have proven in the past and present that no good can come fromthem, At all, ITS not POSSIBLE...and nawaz resgning from goverment now has nothing to do with his devotion to country,.. its only a TOPI DRAMA to get the emotional support of the people for the next elections...only to rule unchallanged and loot maar..what he will do max is borrow electricity from iran or UNO, and become a hero,..those plans were already in progress even before he came back to pakistan..

THIS IS DEMOCRACY IN PAKISTAN...Every one has a right of free speech and free un-opposed bank balance and property making...for what benefit it serves to MD, i dont see it...

[abigor]

I for one am against the entire concept of this "so called" democracy prevailing in our system.

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[Dr.Farhan]

Originally Posted by MummyDaddy

I'll agree with you on this one. The PPP appears to be backstabbing the people responsible for its historic victory against dictatorship. It's a sad day for democracy, and a sadder day for Pakistan. There was always reason to be skeptical of the PPP, but I never thought this betrayal would be so blatant.

As for the food crisis... part of the problem stems from economic factors outside of Pakistan's control. Part of the blame also has to be directed towards the policies of the Musharraf government. However, while I would normally argue that the current government hasn't had enough time to deal with the crisis, the fact is that it has not, so far, really addressed the food crisis or the inflationary pressures faced by the economy. Again, it is unfair to blame the democratic government alone for the state of affairs, but they have honestly been shirking their responsibility to the electorate. We need to be critical, even if it means attacking a government that we support. I do believe that a flawed democracy is preferable to dictatorship, but that doesn't mean a democratic government should be given a free ride.



Musharraf's rule oversaw an insurgency in Baluchistan and FATA, widening economic disparities, crackdowns on civil liberties, and the mutilation of the constitution. The average Joe was as badly off then as he is now.

I don't have any personal political agenda. I just think the rule of law is important, and requires a functioning judiciary. I think its important, in the long-run, to have a working democratic process that prevents one man from imposing his will on an entire country.

But what I will agree with you on is the role the PPP and Zardari have played in making a mockery of the entire democratization process. If anything, I'm probably more pissed about it than you are. I actually believed, and still do believe, that this was a historic opportunity for Pakistan to develop a functioning democracy. Such opportunities only come about once in a lifetime, and the PPP has blown it.



You're really going to have to show me why democracy is bad for Pakistan.
Don't expect me to just take your word for it when you say that democracy is bad for Pakistan.Baseless assertions are meaningless.

first 2 paras of yours , aren in sever contradiction to democracy thats in pakistan..3rd and fourth are on the current situtaions thats in the news everywhere anyway..

and then you ask why democracy is bad for pakistan...just like what hapend in the Anti gay thread, there is NOWHERE in these posts that is implied that democracy is bad for pakistan...the democracy that is CURRENTLY and in the past been APLIED to pakistan is bad,, and for that matter, the army rule has been far more econmically stable in all history than the soo called democratic rule has ever had..and there was no shortage of food and grain ever, infact in ayyub`s time, when the whole nation was litterally starving to death, martial law insured that aal the inflation ended in thematter of weeks..every one who had smuggled ands stocked their wheat and rice and sugar, threw it out of thie godowns and houses in darkness,so they wont be caught and rations system was reinovated..thus proving that your argument against martial law is wrong and democracy has this to its disadvantage since lke ever..

this is what hapens when argument for argument sake happens..i donot suport musharaf,, infact i hate all of themm, but that doesnot mean what someone did right should not be apreciated, musharraf initail five year rule was true harmonious. i am against EVRYTHing he id in the last 3 years, cuz thats where he got greedy, and turned himself SADAR, by the SO CALLED DEMOCRATIC sennate elections..the first five years had full food and water, electricity, fee media,stable economy, and plenty of resources, and telecom and industrial growth.., would you imagine that wthout such reforms you cudnt buy a nokia 1600 for less than 5k? no E series, No N series?? a p4d would still be the only TOP affordable processor? mobilink calls would still be in 20 cities ONLY and 9rs/min?? dialup 4kb/s wud the holy grail of internet? broadband in pkaistan took off in ONE year.. it took USA nad UK 4 ears to establish dsl, and we even have wateen wifi right now..
sooo many international products are IN market right now, which we probably would be salivating over otheriwse, by looking in posters only..there are soo many national channels in pakistan right now, that its even gone out of goverments control .. b4 that the best entertainment was the "tractor repair workshop on ptv 2". and current channels are progressing upto CNN standrds..if international investment in a country is not symmbolic of ecomomic growtha nd development for you,then what is? there was no food shortage, there are faaar more universities and colleges in pakistan with international recognition of their degrees.. before that you could count all of them on less than one hand..value of property rose upto 160% in most areas, due to investment..banking system was reorgaised..and the unUrban areas f pakistan like gwadar were made into the next BIG thing in tourisma and international market..its those FORIEGN investors and coutries that are planning to make it the nex t DUBAI...all in mUSH time..



you cud argue that import expost ratio in pakistan was almost nill..its still is.. why ? cuz china won the global market war.and the TRUE democratic and republican countries themsleves are atumped over this chinese invasion....how? you wud definatly know more than anyone,ofcourse..but you DO also see all the cottage industry, the milling industry, iron,coal, oil,industry, the sugar industry, copper mining association,metallurgy departments, all protesting and threatening to close down,. cuz ther is o relief.. and the biggest culprits of BILLIONS of dollars have their cases removed by NRO..


petrol was 56.xx paisa a few moths back.. now its 70rs.. i agree that its global rise,and NO One can help it.. but remember that in that time, when petrol was still rising eerywhere, our petrol dropped from 55.54 to 53rs?? good governing and proper planning.. ayone who reads internationl affairs, will kow that INDIA has last week reduced petrol prices by 3rs/litre... why is it?? is some country SPECIAlly having India`s Ass? so they get cheap petorl?? no, i dont think so..


how is restoration of free judiciary going to help??

all judges were dismissed by musharaf.. they protested,, mush made new PCO juges.. so the new juges will DEFINATLY have all thier sympathies for Mush for promoting them and securing them.

zardari came with anouncement of juges and all his cases were dismissed, and he was CLEAn,, since he doesnt need the juges now, why should he restore them.. after all, YOUR democracy has shown that only self serving and satisfacion is the right way of DEMOCRATIC goverment.purpose fulfilled..

what wud be the role of the new judiciary if zadari even does restore them?? same as PCO juges?? they would forever be in debt to him, and thus they will obey his comand and thus QUOTING YOU Md """"I think its important, in the long-run, to have a working democratic process that prevents one man from imposing his will on an entire country.""" where is the democracy now???

that is even not including the nation..look at the PPP party right now..the Prime minister is SUPOSED to gelani.. and who is the puppet master behind all the party decisions? zardari..
the main scheme of his was to get Anyone elected from his party.. get BA restriction cleared.. get cases cleard...Does anyone remember that he made a statement in press confrence after NRO, that " zaroorat parne per men bhi wazir-e-azam ban sakta hun"" cuz now he can himself become primeminister withut any oposition...
one puppet master to rule them all, one zardari to bind them,
one zardari to decieve all, and in the darkness blind them"

there is NO DEMOCRACY IN CHINA.. most succesful country in the world right now.. Iran is the biggest threat to every country , and has no democracy but Khiafat system..and worst than Democracy is the badshahat system in saudia.. but none of them is dwindling on the thin thread of suport we are hanging on..\
the TRUE democratic contries have ACTUALLY TRUE DEMOCRACy... how can it be implemented in pakistan is not the purpose and beyyond the scope of his thread...but why current democracy is in favour of pakistan, i donot know.. maybe you could shed some light on it MD??? pretty please ...
cuz again
Quoting you"""Don't expect me to just take your word for it when you say that democracy is GOODfor Pakistan.Baseless assertions are meaningless.""

thankyou...

[Cateye]

Originally Posted by |BloodBath|

I don't have to prove my opinion MD. I for one am against the entire concept of this "so called" democracy prevailing in our system.

Originally Posted by abigor

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Democracy in our system... mind telling me when there was any TRUE democracy in our country? or mind telling me how many times your Beloved DICK-TATORS rule on this PAK country with their NAPAK intentions....



PS: you know what just leave it, people like you never think out of the BOX…. And will always will be rigid towards their POV even that leads to your own death..




PPS: there is no difference between you who call them slef EDUCATUED people or those who call them self chaudaries ( Feudal Lords ). nO body is saint in this country not a single bloody politician all of them came from a feudal backgrounds but at the end of the day an ordinary person can bring some change from his voting power but according to you people hey who needs a change you want to act like SHEEPs

[|BloodBath|]

Originally Posted by Cateye

Democracy in our system... mind telling me when there was any TRUE democracy in our country?

Refer to my post again, when did I ever said that there was any true democracy in the country?

or mind telling me how many times your Beloved DICK-TATORS rule on this PAK country with their NAPAK intentions....

At least kept the feudal bastards away from the government.

PS: you know what just leave it, people like you never think out of the BOX…. And will always will be rigid towards their POV even that leads to your own death..

I live. People like you who always oppose others' views.

PPS: there is no difference between you who call them slef EDUCATUED people or those who call them self chaudaries ( Feudal Lords ). nO body is saint in this country not a single bloody politician all of them came from a feudal backgrounds but at the end of the day an ordinary person can bring some change from his voting power but according to you people hey who needs a change you want to act like SHEEPs

I never called my self educated. The last I remember you all were whining over pre-election rigging. You really think my vote makes a difference? LOL!

Remember, everyone has an opinion. Learn to respect it.

[ahmad08]

its all a fucked up set up...and the end of the day pakistan will end up in the hands of a corrupt SOB...